BBC: Baby Bible Bashers - A Look At Child Evangelists genre: Hip-Gnosis & Video-Philes

The BBC documentary, Baby Bible Bashers, may be one of the most disturbing examples of children being abused by the misguided religious beliefs and manipulative ambitions of their parents. The documentary chronicles three child "evangelists" who are being touted by their parents as virtual crusaders for God. Two reside in the United States and one lives in her native country of Brazil.

The story of Samuel Boutwell, a seven year old boy from Mississippi, was the most troubling of the three. He reportedly gave his first sermon at the age of three and he frequently protests outside an abortion clinic. His father, a self-confessed sinner who has been "born again", travels with his son to preach to people on the streets of major metropolitan areas including Washington DC and New York City.

It seems that the common denominator of the parents of many of these children centers on their own troubled lives. As with so many born agains, they operate under the belief that goodness can only be found in fear of God and the punishment he will meet out to those who sin against him. Unfortunately, God serves as the only means by which they believe they can keep their "sinful" inclinations in check. From there, they project those fears and insecurities onto their innocent children...supposedly turning them into the model citizens they were unable to become.

These children are being set up for tremendous disappointment. It is obvious they have begun to internalize their parents grandiose visions and they are well on their way to actually accepting that they have been chosen to speak on behalf of God.

Sadly, each of them is being taught their trade by the adults in their lives...trained like circus animals to perform to the crowds for the benefit of their handlers...and there can be no doubt that these adults seek to profit from their efforts.

If you aren't able to watch the entire documentary, I highly recommend taking the time to view part five. In that segment (from about 2:30 to 4:50 into the video) you will see Samuel Boutwell break down under the pressure being applied by his father. It's heart wrenching to witness...and I can't imagine the damage being done to this poor child. Watch his actions as he begins to cry. It's obvious that he tries to suppress his emotions. When he starts to glance around, it struck me that he was worried his tears might elicit a scolding from his father on the need to be strong. So much for Christian values.

Baby Bible Bashers - Part One

Baby Bible Bashers - Part Two

Baby Bible Bashers - Part Three

Baby Bible Bashers - Part Four

Baby Bible Bashers - Part Five

Comments

1 On February 20, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Ben in Oakland wrote —

This is so tragic. This little boy reminds me of my little nephew. They even look alike

He's 7 years old, for Christ's sake. (Irony intentional). He can't even understand what he is saying. My nephew has a decent idea of good and bad, and even why, but the notion of sin and damnation would be beyond him, and he's a bright kid. And evolution would be something well beyond his current knowledge and capacity.

Save the children ™ do it for the children ™... it seems more like suffer the little children

2 On February 23, 2008 at 9:34 AM, momly wrote —

I think the title of the post is misleading. A "basher" is someone who belittles or mocks a topic. I think you may mean "beater" or "thumper" as in a person who flogs a point of view to force an opponent into submission.

Otherwise, EEK! what a story!

3 On February 23, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Daniel wrote —

Momly,

Thanks for your comment.

The title in the post, Baby Bible Bashers, is the actual title of the BBC documentary. I added "A Look At Child Evangelists" to be more descriptive. In the UK and Australia, they often use the term "Bible Basher" for:

A religious person who is obsessively, you could say, and insanely, into his or her religion. They tend to 'bash on' about their religion and try to feed it to you. (From Urban Dictionary)

Hence, I fail to see how I am misleading anyone by listing the documentary by its correct name...and adding some additional, more specific information.

I do understand your point of view but I think you're shooting the messenger.

Regards,

Daniel

4 On February 23, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Doug wrote —

In case the ignorant fundy hick didn't know, the correct phrase is either,
"Do you speak English well?" or "Do you speak good English?" Oh, the irony.

5 On February 23, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Zeke wrote —

I used to BE that child. I also grew up in an extremely fundamentalist family in rural Mississippi and was encouraged (strongly pushed) into being a pint sized evangelist. This poor child even looks like I did at that age. I feel so sorry for him.

My parents decided that I was unfit to continue "in the ministry", or even in their family, right about the time I broke it to them that I was gay.

To this day when I return to Mississippi to visit family (we have reconciled after 15 years) it's like going to another planet. I just can't relate to the fundamentalist mentality that is soooooooo pervasive throughout ALL aspects of life there.

Hopefully these children will escape this craziness before they are completely done in. I thank god that I did.

6 On February 28, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Crudely Wrott wrote —

This poor little fellow. He tries so hard to be good but the sorry excuse for goodness that his DFW father describes is not only unattainable, it is ultimately demeaning and embarrassing in its unattainability.

Pardon me while I dab at my eye.

7 On February 29, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Ric wrote —

This is child abuse, pure and simple.

8 On February 29, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Outis wrote —

As fundamentalism is rather rare in Europe (at least in Germany; I still haven't encountered any), I unfortunately don't have any reference to compare such madness. But, for Cthulhu's sake, I hope that the children manage to escape these lunatics. (Lovecraftian remark intentional.)

Children shouldn't even be confronted with religion until they begin to think for themselves and don't just adopt every damn thing from their zealous parents. Preaching at the age of 3? Insane. That Boutwell still can't speak well and probably has a very small vocabulary compared to other children of his age. (I'm not condemning home-schooling, but if you're growing up in such a environment, odds are that you won't have learned many other words.)

A terrible development. Hopefully, the amount of religious zealots will decrease in the future. Otherwise, we might as well go back back to the 14th century and say that the sun orbits the earth.

9 On February 29, 2008 at 11:55 PM, trog69 wrote —

This is truly a horrible situation that this child has been forced into. As Outis remarked above, the parents have no right to corral the mind of this kid so thoroughly into the narrow Fundamentalist worldview. His Father is beneath my contempt. Even accepting his obvious delusions, that he would inflict this on a child this young is evil, pure and simple.

10 On March 2, 2008 at 2:22 PM, MithLuin wrote —

I do think it unfortunate that parents would push their children towards such public performances. This is exploitation. But honestly, I do not think there is anything wrong in raising a child in faith. Not scare them by threatening them with hell, but if what has happened here is wrong, going the other way and not telling kids anything about tough topics (like religion or God or sex or death) until they are older does them no favors either. Children grow into adults, and parents have the responsibility to help them out with that.

Oh, and the link to part 5 is dead now.

11 On March 2, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Daniel wrote —

I checked on Part Five and it is working. It is possible that YouTube could have been down for a short period of time. Thanks for commenting.

Regards,

Daniel

12 On March 3, 2008 at 5:57 AM, David Biber wrote —

I do not believe that this is an attack on the boy who cried, "Repent," or "Save your children." I sincerely believe that this is an attack on what he preaches. Anyway, how many children do you know at the age of seven who sincerely know what they are talking about. I have preached when I was his age and still am a preacher at 22. Preaching the Bible is very sacred thus presenting a fear of God (not fear as in spooks, but having a deep respect for someone or something) and a desire to present the message in such a way that would bring glory and honor to God.

13 On March 10, 2008 at 2:54 AM, Brandy Lee wrote —

I would rather see children grow up with God in the word, than to hate and murder, if you are judging these people for their children's ministry. Think about how your treating your child at home?
Does he hate? manipulate, is he unhappy? Does he/she not get enough attention and seeks it in ways they hurt people? Is there divorce? your child may be suffering the abandonment, three at dads, four days at moms. This leads to mistrust and insecurities. parents smoking/drinking in front of their child in the home, the yelling/screaming.
This is kinda over doing it I agree.
However, save the children who are being beaten and sacrificed to Idols, mentally, physically, emotionally,spiritually, it is happening around the world. Abuse has to stop, in any form.
There is nothing wrong with strictnesses towards your child to serve God, there is way to much sin on earth all because of lack of discipline, there is a difference between Abuse and discipline, know the difference.

14 On March 10, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Chuck Wolber wrote —

I'm sorry, I must have missed where they said that only christians have a lock on morality. Are you saying that non-theists cannot raise moral children?

You'd think that a prison would be populated by a majority of non-theists considering how theists claim to have a lock on morality. Funny how that's not even close to the case....

Theists make up well over 90% of the US population and almost 99.8% of the prison population. Simply considering who's in prison, it's easy to conclude that non-theists will win the morality "game" by a landslide.

..Chuck..

15 On March 10, 2008 at 5:24 PM, brandy wrote —

No!sir, that is not what I am saying here, what I am saying is that there is something wrong with this society of such blind matters,and lack of truths and study, we want to only see good things and avoid the bad things, we want to hear good things rather than seek the truth.
No matter how we see things we judge it and make it wrong, what if we are to suffer in order to make it to heaven like Christ? who is to say this is hell and we have time to repent for such a short time? we do not know that, but we do see the difference in ourselves between evil and good, it is based on what you feed the most, in the end we are measured by our own doing, we forget to show love, we would rather not make it right but rather judge, it is easy to judge than to correct something that is not fit, it is never gonna be good enough. I am doing an essay right now about, "Is our system based on Ten Commandments? The number of lives lost in the attempts to advance or defend religious beliefs is in the millions. They also have forgotten that Lucifer, who also is portrayed in the Bible as Satan, is the progenitor of the human race. He is, indeed, Another creator.is there one real God and many false gods?
Is this one God put all together? Phil. 2:5-8 - "Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6-who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7-but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8-And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9-Therefore also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name. some people sacrifice time to change what is right from wrong, some do it better than others. we also have this false sense of freedom that is based on liberty but is it freedom? No,they give us the freedom of speech, but if we say anything wrong we are charged with discrimination and so forth, We have the father of all lies, and as a human race we need to see who that father is, cause it ain't God. When these children come to earth in these end times to tell people to repent, it is the sign that us adults are stupid and it takes a child like to see that in us. like John the baptist crying in the wilderness revealing people to"repent" the time is at hand, we don't know if this is our last straw. However, God does show discipline when we do wrong and he would probably use children more so cause they are pure.
we adults are already polluted in his eyes, this is why it is important to repent.

16 On March 10, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Ben in Oakland wrote —

Honey, I'm not exactly sure of what you are trying to say. Satan as the Father of Lies is such a Christian concept. yet, if you read the bookof Job, there he is, sitting on the throne of God. Makes you sort of wonder who is doing the lying, doesn't it? Just because G allegedly said something, doesn't mean that it was G, or that he necessarily told the truth, even about Satan-- or especially about satan.

In any case. Satan, merely G's messenger (shaitan), may be one of your ancestors. I wouldn't know. but he is certainly not one of mine. Mine was a monkey.

17 On March 10, 2008 at 9:55 PM, David Biber wrote —

Let me correct you, "Ben in Oakland," and say that Satan, in the book of Job, was not on the Throne of God. Satan has just as much access to God as anyone does. As for your ancestors being monkeys, go beyond that and see where the monkeys come from, etc. I believe God spoke and it was so. Genesis chapters 1 - 2.

18 On March 10, 2008 at 9:56 PM, brandy wrote —

Yours might have very been the form of the moneky, However, I aint hairy enough to see the monkey in me, sucks I don't even have the moneky spirit. I don't believe God would make man his image, in a form of a monkey. I do believe some DNA is not all human DNA. We are not all the same..so I do believe there is many life forms out there than what we see, however,captured in human flesh. I disagree that we are all the same. We have to much of difference's in the life styles to say we are from the same DNA. sure we all shed the same blood but so do animals.
In spirit we are all different, If you say you came from the monkey that is fine, your statement can be correct, but even with that statment, you must study the truth.

19 On March 11, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Chuck Wolber wrote —

SIGH I am so tired of this ignorant refrain that we came from monkeys. Can we dispel this myth once and for all? There's not a single reputable EVOLUTIONARY BIOLOGIST alive that would say we came from monkeys. Get a life, read a book, and stop parroting what you hear in church. Evolution does not say that we evolved from apes, monkeys, chimpanzees, orangutans, bonobos or any other cute furry poop slinging animal you find in the zoo.

On god speaking, let's get real here. Which god? From which book? There are so darn many, it really is hard to keep track. Oh, you mean THE bible (as if there were just one...)? I hate to break it to you, but the idea of the trinity was a late addition to most bibles. It does not show up in the oldest versions. Oh and that "virgin" thing? Whoops, mistranslation, they meant to say, "young woman". Oh well, good thing that little doctrine didn't screw up generations of young women... Go back to the drawing board and come back when you can all agree on just who this god person is and what his book is supposed to say. Until then, me and my buddy Spinoza are going to be chillin' at the bar...

And Brandy, really honey your grammar is awful and your sentences are rambling. I can hardly tell what you're trying to say. Use fewer words and more punctuation!

And finally, on the idea of spirit/soul, there are many problems. Here are two:

1) Brains can be altered by disease and accident. This changes the very nature of the person at their core. Examples could fill libraries. Where is soul?

2) Why is it that kids generally take on the religion of their parents and community? Most kids born in muslim countries become muslim, most kids born in christian countries become christian, most kids born around cargo-cults look for John Frum on February 15th. Different soul? Or just smart enough to see abstraction, but not smart enough to understand Spinoza's natural law?

Oh and don't get me started on the problem of evil or the argument from hiddenness...

..Chuck..

20 On March 11, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Ben in Oakland wrote —

chuck-- I was just sayin' that my evolutionary ancestor was a monkey, not satan.

21 On March 11, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Chuck Wolber wrote —

Ben -- right, I get the joke :)

Scientifically, you're wrong on both counts. No one's ancestor was a monkey (or satan, although the good reverend Falwell had me wondering for a while). It's a basic fact of evolution.

Unfortunately, "monkey's uncle" plays delightfully well with ignorant theists who can't afford to be troubled with the basic facts of the theory they're trying to refute.

While I'm at it, another thought experiment for the creationist. Take a picture of yourself at 1 years old and compare it to a picture of yourself today. Now explain to me why I should believe they're of the same person? I don't SEE any transitional pictures in there! Sure, that picture of you when you were 5 and 9 and 13 LOOK sort of similar, but that just means there are transitional gaps between THOSE pictures you still need to explain. Until you can document every second from birth to current form, I refuse to believe that a 6 foot tall adult could have POSSIBLY evolved from such a small thing as a baby. What part of this 6 foot tall adult can I remove to make a baby?!?!?! This 6 foot tall adult is irreducibly complex and therefore could never have never been a baby!

Yeah... that's how dumb creationists sound...

..Chuck..

22 On March 11, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Ben in oakland wrote —

Thank you for getting the joke. I do know that, Yes, scientifically speaking, we are not descended from monkeys. Different species entirely, and at the same tail end of their eovlutionary paths. I know that. However, it is the popular conception, and without employing that, then i cannot reach my evolutionary destiny of being consistently witty.

sometimes science must give way to religion, as Benny the Ratz has so eloquently stated.

23 On March 13, 2008 at 1:17 PM, brandy wrote —

What is this! Now you want to control a blog on how to write! Blame it on the settlers! They were the grammar teachers. Here we go again! What did I say? You will always be the judge, no matter what the subject is. I will quote " And Brandy, really honey your grammar is awful and your sentences are rambling. I can hardly tell what you're trying to say. Use fewer words and more punctuation".
Sir! If you can't understand, it was not meant for you to understand at all. Obviously you know more grammar than I do, yet you can't understand it. You did start with ABC's and you probably read, "see Dick run", look Jane! "Dick is running" how bad can my writing really be sir. Opinion's are like assholes, everybody has one.

24 On March 13, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Chuck Wolber wrote —

Excellent play Brandy! Ignore the real substance and zero right in on the least important part.

..Chuck..

25 On March 13, 2008 at 7:49 PM, tom rogers wrote —

Good evening, Chuck Wolber.

I love the transition analogy. I shall now appropriate it, if I may?

Brandy...you're a fine girl, but your comment was really hard to follow. I understand though. I realize that to try and defend the religious nutjobs without letting foaming at the mouth and using all capitals must be tough. Nice try though, I guess.

26 On March 14, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Chuck Wolber wrote —

Hi Tom Rogers,

You are welcome to the analogy :)

..Chuck..

27 On March 17, 2008 at 6:55 PM, Lithp wrote —

Okay, the fifth video definately does NOT work. I was eagerly anticipating it. And no, it's not that YouTube is down. That YouTube could be up as I watched the entire 4th video, frequent as my pauses were, the whole way to the finish, but the second I click to play video five, it tells me the video is unavailable? Not a coincidence.

28 On March 18, 2008 at 11:43 AM, daniel wrote —

Lithp,

I've checked the fifth video several times since you posted your comment and each time it has been working. It's not uncommon for YouTube to have momentary glitches. Stranger coincidences happen all the time.

All five of these video clips were uploaded to YouTube by the same individual so it is doubtful that only one of them would be taken down. When I've checked on the fifth clip, I've also checked the others and I've yet to find an issue.

Give it another try and hopefully you'll be able to view the clip.

Regards,

Daniel

29 On March 18, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Lithp wrote —

Well...I feel stupid. Ah well. Thanks for taking the time to look into that and to let me know that it does, in fact work. I'm not sure exactly what it is about that particular part that seems to give people problems, but I should've refreshed the page, or something.

30 On April 13, 2008 at 6:46 PM, brandy wrote —

Ok, guys...the world is about to End.
Why don't you go out there and repent yourselves instead of sitting in front of your computors whinning about a child who is telling the truth about "REPENTANCE" shishk...
Quit the blasphemy

31 On April 14, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Chuck Wolber wrote —

That's the spirit Brandy! Ignore all of that silly logic, plow on through the complicated concepts! Good for you soldier!

Lemme speculate... you had a few doubts after reading what we wrote, got really energized with fellow believers who also lack your critical thinking skills and then come wandering back here after church yesterday...

..Chuck..

32 On April 14, 2008 at 12:20 PM, brandy wrote —

not at all...
It doesn't take church to teach me the way...it's between God and me and the truth that is provided through the word. When you have done your repentance than you can save others, you are no longer working for yourself but for the holy ghost. The variety of roles including witnessing of the Father and His Son, revealing the truth, cleansing sins, and giving us comfort and peace. "Satan" the dark spirit can sometimes manipulate you into takeing wrong actions based on worldly things, remember' these two forces are fighting for your soul...
The media would rather show voilence, Jezeble, and money. It often teache's the way's of man, rather than listen on God's command, the word says " suffer the children to come to me" it's not saying abused them...People should't critize if this child is being raised in a Godly way, he may have a point.
As for your comment about me going to church sunday, it doesn't take a sunday to talk to God, it is anytime, anywhere, anyplace..
I can use the bible as a step'in stone, or I can use the church...But like Obama said " When I feel these things,the pressure's and stress's of the world, I turn to God" they turn to blame and voilence.
I agree, I do the same.. the child on this vedio is crying out to people to repent, what is wrong with that. People should repent and get out of this mess, you want to know why it's a mess? cause the media allows a child to talk back and hit thier parents, they allow kids to get away with murder, they allow them guns so they can shoot other children in schools, the media and the government sells technology to ruin a child's mind, through vedio games, T.V and the Internet. That is evil and it is agianst Gods rule..only satan can do this to children before they get to know God..That is why there is so much hate and distruction. It starts with a baby sitter and a subsitute parent " the Machine".
Not to mention advertising your child on a pagent show, or porn. Let's talk about children in the movie industry,young actors suffering pressures from the media. Let's talk about the sex industry, food, drugs. I would rather see and hear something positive.

33 On April 14, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Lithp wrote —

Oh God, not a Jack Thompson argument. Look, if Final Fantasy is supposed to mess me up so bad, what about the Bible? It's full of genocide, rape, human sacrafice, ghosts, and carpenters.

And I am not commenting on a child telling the truth. Why? Because it's not true. See, I can state my opinion like it's fact too, but that won't change your mind.

Anyway, Brandy, I don't want to be mean, but I have to seriously question your grip on reality. Since when has the news shown a story about guns in schools and NOT blamed it on exactly what you did? To the best of my knowledge, never. And you can't tell why this is wrong? He's SEVEN! He shouldn't have that much responsibility OR be exposed to that kind of environment! I mean, did you hear him? "Someone could pull a gun out and say 'stop preaching, or you're gonna die.'" Who in their right mind would make a child that age do these things knowing that they could be KILLED? And although I find that scenario highly unlikely, when I saw the mob scene towards the end, I was getting worried for him. I don't even know this kid, and I was afraid he was in danger. And what did his father do? Continue arguing with a bunch of PO'd city-dwellers about the nature of sin.

To me, that is wrong. To me, the reason why there is so much hate and destruction is because people refuse to take the time to understand others or take responsibility for things and blame the first thing they can think of. There was a school shooting? It was those evil videogames! The world trade center was bombed? Stupid Muslim [terrorists]! Germany's economy is crap? Exterminate the Jews!

Allow me to close with a question: let's say the situation had gotten out of control and, in the subsequent mob incident, the kid had been accidently killed? What would you say about his preaching then? That he died for the Lord?

(This post contains too much drama. I offer up the following, nonsensical word to break the tension: SPLAARGEEY!!!!)

34 On April 17, 2008 at 4:50 AM, Briar Lorenz wrote —

This is just so sick.

We have to stamp out these mind viruses of christinsanity, moham-madness, and the rest. They are seriously debilitating diseases of the brain, caused by mind parasites that get inside a human brain, and grow there, taking over more and nore space inside, poisoning the person that has been infested by them, and are spread by preaching.

The "parents" of thse poor kids should be locked up, and brainwashed to clean their sick minds.

It is hard to believe that even a natiion as vast as the USA can have such areas of deprivation so bad that this sort of corruption of children can occur and yet such centres of scientific advanced thought that led to NASA's achievements, to some of our modern physics, and to advanced medicine, but it cannot continue like that. Either the poor Americans will escape their backward leaning mythologies and silly notins about there being a magic superman up there somewhere, and grow up to face the facts, or they will decline into the sort of thing found in these backwoods fire- breathing mind-diseased enclaves of religious fundamentalism.

Yuk.

35 On April 17, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Lithp wrote —

I half-agree with this guy above me.

36 On May 16, 2008 at 10:09 PM, brandy wrote —

What I did? talk about the White people coming into our Land and taking my ansestory into captivity of being slain into thier beliefs. I do not blame all white people of course, although I can, they all look the same to me, but I will not. It was the Catholics, bishops, pope, Romans, whatever, do your research. I will not blame Christianity, nor will I blame God for this sick Act, its the people who think they can get away using "God" in vain, thinking and plotting to manipulate the religous system by doing thier evil schemes. But they're real people out there who do worship in truth.

I can easily blame all white people for all this mess, agian! I will not go that low, unlike you. So don't sit there and point your fingers at me. I did not create this foolishness, it was your ansestors....God Bless and best of luck 2012

37 On May 17, 2008 at 4:22 AM, Lithp wrote —

Uh-huh. That again. See, I'm sure by now you've figured out that religion gets under my skin a bit. And of all the things that irritate me about it, it would have to be this attitude:

"God is good and can do absolutely no wrong. No matter how much good humans do, they are evil at core, no exceptions."

IF the claims made by the Bible and its supporters were true, it would pretty much be the opposite. Humans ate from the tree, but who put the Fing tree there? I know the whole "God was testing them" thing, but to me, that sounds like a rather sadistic test.

But on a tangent, I also have to say this: you shouldn't be telling me to do MY research. These "true believers" were the perpetrators of a lot of these actions, as well. The Salem Witch Trials come to mind.

I am not going low at all. Without religious differences to fight over, the world wouldn't be devoid of conflict, of course, but there would certainly be much less of it. Heck, then pretty much all you have to fight over is territory.

But what was my original point? I think it got lost somewhere when you started ranting about white people (I find it interesting that you assume I'm white, incidently). Suffice to say it NEVER seems to be the religion's fault, even when the church and a majority of its supporters are in favor of the idea. Makes perfect sense.

38 On October 7, 2008 at 9:12 AM, Alexa wrote —

Just to clarify to the author, the documentary was NOT broadcast by the BBC, but in actual fact the British Channel 4.

39 On October 7, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Lithp wrote —

I'd just like to add that the world is still here.

40 On November 10, 2008 at 9:22 AM, amber wrote —

As a 15 year old I believe that I am only just old enough to start making decisions towards religion. My parents always taught me to make my own decisions and I would say I am better for it. There is a difference between morals and being too scared to step out of line, people with morals carry out their actions with good intent, not because it has been enforced upon them to do so. I have no problem with parents discussing their opinions and views on religion with their children as mine do, but i think that forcing a child to believe something when they are too young to truly understand it is, for one, restricting but also cruel. It is part of a childs learning to discover themselves. Let them.

41 On November 12, 2008 at 2:33 AM, Briar wrote —

These "parents" are using their poor children, the children should be rescued from such unsuitable psrents, for whom jail sentences would be the first point in curing them of their madness. The Children desev=rve and need to be liberated from having to live under the "fesar of god", because there is no such thing as god, the Black Book of the christinsane is a concoction of stories made up by humans, mostly living way back in the wandering times of a tribe of primitive herdsmen about 4000 - 5000 years ago, added to by a bunch of confused mnalcontents living in an occupied country about 2000 years ago, badly misltranslated from Ancient Hebrew into Greek, the from Greek into Latin, and from Latin into various modern languages, each time by people who made mistakes in translation, fueld in part by a desire to twist meanings and extract propaganda for their organisations and its goals. And all of it totally irrelevant to the needs of a modern, technological society. It is useless as a guide to morals and ethics, it is bad as a guide to diet and health, it consumes the minds of its victims like a mind virus, rendering them suboptimal for life in our modern world. Religion is a Disease, it is killing our species, and we need to get rid of it.

Using small children to spread the virus is akin to using children as suicide bombers.

Briar

42 On November 12, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Lithp wrote —

I'm not sure about jail sentences, but some people just should not be allowed to breed.

Most everything else I agree to, up until the end. There's nothing "we" can do to get rid of a philosophy, only an individual can do that by applying critical thinking to it.

And I hope the part about suicide bombers was a hyperbole.

I lean a bit more toward Amber's view, really.

43 On April 4, 2009 at 11:41 PM, RK wrote —

Quick comment in the interest of grammatical peace:

'Way up above in this thread, somebody complained about the use of the term "Bible Basher" in the blog title; Daniel then pointed out that it comes from the title of the documentary, thus his hands are tied. I would just like to add that in American English (which is not the only English in the world, as astonishing as some find that), to "bash" can mean to criticise something, i.e., "America-bashing". Meanwhile, Yanks call someone who thumps and whacks a Bible around to emphasise a shouted sermon a "Bible-beater" or a "Bible-thumper."

However, in Britain, the same person is called a "Bible basher"; the "bashing" here is literal, as in literally, physically abusing a defenceless book.

Hence the confusion.

44 On April 5, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Lithp wrote —

With all due respect, how do you expect people almost on the other side of the planet to know every piece of British linguistics that there is?

Personally, I prefer American English. Colour just looks...wrong. But that is irrelevent.

The narrator's accent is clearly British, so this explanation makes sense. But again, "basher" is justified through kind of twisted logic. Then again, "thumper" means basically the same thing.

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Will anyone be offended if I start calling them "Bible humpers" from now on?

45 On June 27, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Aleatha Carr wrote —

Say I were to train my child to make impassioned speeches about the merits of science over the pseudoscience of "Intelligent Design", or the historic evils perpetrated by Christian individuals and institutions. In this country, I be marked for death by zealots, and I'd probably be convicted of child abuse and have my children taken away.

46 On March 30, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Lithp wrote —

You wanna repeat that in English?

47 On March 30, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Robin wrote —

I think she said, "Grow up, you overgrown brats."

Robin
Rusty Ring: Reflections of an Old-Timey Hermit

48 On March 30, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Lithp wrote —

Just goes to show you, it's not the size or exoticy of the word you use, it's whether or not you're using it correctly in conjunction with other words.

Is exocity a word? It is now.

49 On January 2, 2012 at 3:41 AM, Øistein wrote —

Hi, everybody. This documentary was broadcast on Norwegian TV only last night (and maybe earlier, but I wouldn't know). I was lost for words. I don't think we could have a situation like this in Norway, we are pretty much going secular, I guess. Of course, we have our fundies here too, but I don't think this kind of child abuse could go on, if it became known to the authoroties around here.

50 On June 12, 2013 at 10:16 AM, stamped concrete wrote —

I was curious if you ever thought of changing the page layout of your site?
Its very well written; I love what youve got to say.
But maybe you could a little more in the way of content so people could connect with it better.
Youve got an awful lot of text for only having one or 2 pictures.
Maybe you could space it out better?

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