Thought Theater

1 On February 22, 2008 at 4:25 AM, Jay Diamond wrote —

I agree. Hillary's concluding remarks.....for that matter, ALL her reflections and comments during the debate were heartfelt and elegantly expressed.

As for the reason that Hillary is vilified and detested by so many people across the political spectrum....there is no mystery about it:

Low-life rightwing hacks like Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, et al, have made the hate stick by the time tested technique of simple repetition.

The obscenely under-educated, ill informed American sheeple are easily manipulated by low-brow hate mongers with an agenda.

If given a choice, how many normal human beings would want to live in a country of 300 million ann coulters or 300 million sean hannitys !?

Think it over.

2 On February 22, 2008 at 5:35 AM, 57andFemale wrote —

It was her finest moment. It was wonderful to see her behave the way Obama has behaved throughout the campaign. If she could maintain that graciousness, I would be a lot less uncomfortable voting for her in the general election if she got the nomination. But these moments for Hillary are few and far between.

3 On February 22, 2008 at 7:01 AM, via wrote —

I agree. I think that Obama will get the nominaton, and I hope that Clinton will be as gracious and inspiring in her concession as she was at the close of last night's debate. I would love to see her campaign tirelessly for and with Obama. The two would make a formidable voice for change in this country.

4 On February 22, 2008 at 7:47 AM, jjcva wrote —

Yes, it was good, but she also appropriated Edwards language, after accusations of plagiarism against Obama... she was packaged differently, but there were several moments, this included in which the Hillary we are used to seeing peeked from behind the new packaging, and lifting Edward's remarks was the real Hillary, do whatever it takes for her benefit including looking at the American people in the eye and stealing after just accusing someone else of theft. What character...

5 On February 22, 2008 at 8:37 AM, Notsomuch wrote —

Only Edwards said it first:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEOjttmqIrc

6 On February 22, 2008 at 8:49 AM, rube cretin wrote —

I find Hillary authentic. Her considerable ambition seems to rest on a foundation of understanding and compassion. While I don't know her true motivation for this particular closing statement, it came from her heart IMHO.

i have frequently quizzed persons making derogatory remarks about her and consistently found their objections shallow and uninformed. Your comment about it being the nature of politics is probably accurate. Another interesting thing about the objections i here is the most vitriolic comments comes from ladies. Within my circle of friends and acquaintances i am often surprised the most rabid Hillary haters are females i know to be the most shallow of individuals.

Competence and real critical thinking skills seems to scare the hell out of those lacking them. Witness the current occupant of the white house, who was elected twice. We have an electorate that scares the hell out of me. It seems we approach the election like another season of American Idol, using essentially the same criteria for selecting the winner.

At this point is appears Obama, who has run a brilliant campaign, will be the winner. Hillary lacks his charisma thing. Her vote on the war, the most important vote in the new century, was her waterloo in regard to the presidency. However, something tells me this extremely bright lady is going to make a major contributions to any successes our nation enjoys in the future.

7 On February 22, 2008 at 2:13 PM, deltaverde wrote —

So after accusing Obama of offering Xeroxed hope, she finishes with rif lifted from Edwards. Yep, classy. And she's clearly more prepared to be the Chief Executive from day one, as evidenced by her well-run campaign staffed by competent experts she chose. Or maybe not.

8 On February 22, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Laura wrote —

Why is Hillary so hated?

1.) She's a woman.
2.) Her last name is Clinton.
3.) She's a smart woman.

I am a woman-and I find everyday that we live in a society that is misogynistic at worst. (Patronizing at best.) I have found that even WOMEN have a certain amount of misogynistic tendencies. And if the woman is smart-and genuine, and powerful-the more people feel they need to distrust and vilify her. Men AND women both.

There's a reason mother always said to us girls "You catch more bees with honey than with vinegar". Look at Laura Bush! She doesn't stand for much, she just seems to go through life as a Stepford wife-and everyone loves her! Remember when Bill was running the first time? Here was a (smart) woman by his side who was clearly his equal partner. And no matter what she did, she was damned if she did and damned if she didn't. Imagine if she'd played the good little first lady role-everyone would have loved her, admired her through the Lewenski period. Of course, they would have been all over her when she ran for Senate, "We've been deceived! We had no idea she was a 3 dimensional person! And SMART!" You see-damned if she does and damned if she doesn't.

I think of her as the nitty gritty, nuts and bolts candidate. Obama is bordering on personality cult-and I just haven't seen where he actually has any plans-and what plans he does have seem very naive.

So there's your answer for "Why does everyone hate Hillary"-She's a (smart) woman. And the sheeple are so infected with Obama fever, they'll attack even one of their own.

p.s.-I've always said (well, for the last 30 years at least, that the sheeples will elect a black man before they'll elect a woman. At least I'll not see it in my lifetime. I still hope to be proved
wrong.

p.p.s.-Shirley Chisolm said that when she was running, people were more concerned with her being a woman than with her being black. Go figure. We really haven't changed that much, eh?

9 On February 22, 2008 at 7:38 PM, Kenneth E. Tucker wrote —

Her finest moment?!

Surely, you jest!

You ARE referring to her 'toughest moments' summation, right?

I don't know about anyone else, but I think bragging that McCain and her being the only US Senators invited to the Center for the Intrepid dedication and then emotionally chronicling the entrance of the wounded warriors was SICK!

a) She's bragging about being on stage with another illegal war enabler and anxious to bomb-bomb-bomb Iran asshole McCain!

and

b) she's choking up about the maimed, disfigured, and burnt?! the guys/gals SHE and McCain SENT THERE!?

Macabre is more like it, like two old vultures perched on an escarpment about to swoop down and feed...

These two should be caricatured with blood dripping off their hands, anyone got photoshop skills?

I got it (the BS run up to the war in Fall 02). Obama go it. So did hundreds of thousands that i marched with in DC in OCT of 02. These two greased the skids for the invasion, for political ambition, and might as well have handed over the C4 for the IEDs that blew apart these troops she is now holding up as examples of true heroism...for political gain AGAIN, SICK!!

One pissed off Viet Vet

10 On February 22, 2008 at 7:38 PM, Carolyn wrote —

Laura, you said it all for me. Amen in spades!

12 On February 23, 2008 at 6:58 AM, Linda Gehron wrote —

The Hillary Clinton closing at the Austin Debate may go down as the most desperate attempt at emotional manipulation (New Hampshire - style) of the voters in the history of the campaign, and the most shameless political use of our wounded veterans, by anyone, Rudy included. These veterans were sent to Iraq as the result of her reckless politically expedient vote. Shame! Shame!

13 On February 23, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Bala wrote —

Well said Laura. I am amazed, at work, how often some colleagues use the vilest language when referring to a tough professional woman. And yes, you are right, the common element of all of these people is that they all listen to right wing radio programs. I am not a big Hillary supporter but I would love to see a woman becoming President in the US.

14 On February 23, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Laura wrote —

Bala-

I never even said anything about right wing radio program listening people. I have found that misogyny
knows not the difference between right wing and left wing. It just IS...